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	<title>Comments on: Gurren Lagann, and ADV&#8217;s Streaming VoD In Review</title>
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		<title>By: artmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.epicwin.org/2007/12/20/gurren-lagann-and-advs-streaming-vod-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>artmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t seem to find these videos. All I see in the giant robot section is BASTof syndrome, Godannar, and Rahxephon. Is it because I live in Canada?</description>
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		<title>By: NegativeZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>NegativeZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@0rion:
&lt;i&gt;That raises the entirely separate issue of the Japanese companies wanting to retain control over their product even where it might not make the best sense for a different language market&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently Bandai USA had an uphill battle trying to convince Sunrise that having characters named Quattro Vagina and Jamitov Hymen in the Zeta Gundam subs might not go down too well. :P I think Sunrise are among the worst out there for that sort of asshatery.

Incidentally I really wanted to watch this to see whether ADV&#039;s work is actually worth it, but apparently ADV&#039;s map of the internet involves North America and then a big black area marked &#039;here be dragons&#039;. They&#039;re clearly not serious about the whole setup as a model for future distribution either, since it&#039;ll only be the first three episodes that they stream. It&#039;s just promotional grandstanding using ANN&#039;s recent soapboxing as a springboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@0rion:<br />
<i>That raises the entirely separate issue of the Japanese companies wanting to retain control over their product even where it might not make the best sense for a different language market</i></p>
<p>Apparently Bandai USA had an uphill battle trying to convince Sunrise that having characters named Quattro Vagina and Jamitov Hymen in the Zeta Gundam subs might not go down too well. <img src='http://www.epicwin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I think Sunrise are among the worst out there for that sort of asshatery.</p>
<p>Incidentally I really wanted to watch this to see whether ADV&#8217;s work is actually worth it, but apparently ADV&#8217;s map of the internet involves North America and then a big black area marked &#8216;here be dragons&#8217;. They&#8217;re clearly not serious about the whole setup as a model for future distribution either, since it&#8217;ll only be the first three episodes that they stream. It&#8217;s just promotional grandstanding using ANN&#8217;s recent soapboxing as a springboard.</p>
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		<title>By: 0rion</title>
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		<dc:creator>0rion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hige

A Brit who &lt;e&gt;doesn&#039;t like TEA??&lt;/em&gt; Blasphemy!!

Also, I believe one of the justifications often provided is that as long as there is an English release &quot;somewhere&quot; out there, English-speaking fans in other countries can just import it.

Pretty flimsy, but then of course the entire concept of &quot;stop distribution once the series is licensed&quot; is essentially just a tacit compromise between fansubbers and U.S.-based licensees to look the other way.

@ TP

I definitely agree that this is only a first step. With the continually growing and changing internet driving the distribution model, companies in this arena will have to learn to be continually on their toes, innovating to keep pace with the rapid changes in the market.

@ Calawain

Those last couple paragraphs were with tongue firmly planted in cheek; don&#039;t take it too seriously. ;)

@ Sixten

Ahh, thanks for the clarification on &quot;Gunmen&quot;. Certainly the romanization still comes across as being a bit odd, but at least it wasn&#039;t something ADV cooked up on their own.

That also explains the romanization of &quot;Gulaparl&quot; that I&#039;ve seen used for the successors to the Gunmen.

That raises the entirely separate issue of the Japanese companies wanting to retain control over their product even where it might not make the best sense for a different language market -i.e. &quot;Wirhelmina&quot; or &quot;Nymphet&quot;. While it&#039;s perfectly understandable from a business standpoint, it&#039;s also highly aggravating from a consumer point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hige</p>
<p>A Brit who <e>doesn&#8217;t like TEA?? Blasphemy!!</p>
<p>Also, I believe one of the justifications often provided is that as long as there is an English release &#8220;somewhere&#8221; out there, English-speaking fans in other countries can just import it.</p>
<p>Pretty flimsy, but then of course the entire concept of &#8220;stop distribution once the series is licensed&#8221; is essentially just a tacit compromise between fansubbers and U.S.-based licensees to look the other way.</p>
<p>@ TP</p>
<p>I definitely agree that this is only a first step. With the continually growing and changing internet driving the distribution model, companies in this arena will have to learn to be continually on their toes, innovating to keep pace with the rapid changes in the market.</p>
<p>@ Calawain</p>
<p>Those last couple paragraphs were with tongue firmly planted in cheek; don&#8217;t take it too seriously. <img src='http://www.epicwin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ Sixten</p>
<p>Ahh, thanks for the clarification on &#8220;Gunmen&#8221;. Certainly the romanization still comes across as being a bit odd, but at least it wasn&#8217;t something ADV cooked up on their own.</p>
<p>That also explains the romanization of &#8220;Gulaparl&#8221; that I&#8217;ve seen used for the successors to the Gunmen.</p>
<p>That raises the entirely separate issue of the Japanese companies wanting to retain control over their product even where it might not make the best sense for a different language market -i.e. &#8220;Wirhelmina&#8221; or &#8220;Nymphet&#8221;. While it&#8217;s perfectly understandable from a business standpoint, it&#8217;s also highly aggravating from a consumer point of view.</e></p>
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		<title>By: Totali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Totali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s definitely a step in the right direction. I remember when they were talking about charging money for digital downloads...Meh, ads. You get those on TV too. I was wondering how they would market such an unknown show in the US, but it looks like they&#039;re promoting it quite a bit (notice the full page ads at ANN xD). I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if I started seeing Gurren in Newtype either. We were surprised enough when they had Geass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s definitely a step in the right direction. I remember when they were talking about charging money for digital downloads&#8230;Meh, ads. You get those on TV too. I was wondering how they would market such an unknown show in the US, but it looks like they&#8217;re promoting it quite a bit (notice the full page ads at ANN xD). I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if I started seeing Gurren in Newtype either. We were surprised enough when they had Geass.</p>
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		<title>By: Sixten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sixten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Gurren Lagann &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gurren-lagann.net/mecha/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Japanese site&lt;/a&gt; in the Pre-Timeslip Mechanic category, the spelling of &quot;Gunmen&quot; (as well as &quot;Dai-Gunzan&quot;, &quot;Dai-Gunkai&quot; etc) is there on the top page links. It&#039;s like &quot;Wirhelmina&quot; in the Shakugan no Shana no Subete series guidebook - you may not like it, but it&#039;s official, even in the Japanese material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Gurren Lagann <a href="http://www.gurren-lagann.net/mecha/index.html" rel="nofollow">Japanese site</a> in the Pre-Timeslip Mechanic category, the spelling of &#8220;Gunmen&#8221; (as well as &#8220;Dai-Gunzan&#8221;, &#8220;Dai-Gunkai&#8221; etc) is there on the top page links. It&#8217;s like &#8220;Wirhelmina&#8221; in the Shakugan no Shana no Subete series guidebook &#8211; you may not like it, but it&#8217;s official, even in the Japanese material.</p>
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		<title>By: Calawain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calawain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if the point to restrict it to the US/Canada was to keep people from stealing the video.  They only have the license to distribute GL in the US and Canada, so if people from outside NA watched it they could be liable to other licensors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if the point to restrict it to the US/Canada was to keep people from stealing the video.  They only have the license to distribute GL in the US and Canada, so if people from outside NA watched it they could be liable to other licensors.</p>
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		<title>By: zenical</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t got my chance to watch, just as all GL fans who would like to view this personally for themselves, i believe many wouldn&#039;t be able to do so, since we do not reside in the US/Canada  :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t got my chance to watch, just as all GL fans who would like to view this personally for themselves, i believe many wouldn&#8217;t be able to do so, since we do not reside in the US/Canada  <img src='http://www.epicwin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Hige&#039;s disappointment with USA licenses being the one-all-be-all authoritative voice of the English-speaking world. What&#039;s the point of encouraging such moves (which, to all you &lt;em&gt;North American&lt;/em&gt; anti-fansub campers, I believe is great!) if the rest of the world gets no love?

I think this is one of the ways the industry can move forward, and harness the power of the Internet to reach out better. It&#039;s a small step, but let&#039;s not stop it there if there are more things that can be improved on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Hige&#8217;s disappointment with USA licenses being the one-all-be-all authoritative voice of the English-speaking world. What&#8217;s the point of encouraging such moves (which, to all you <em>North American</em> anti-fansub campers, I believe is great!) if the rest of the world gets no love?</p>
<p>I think this is one of the ways the industry can move forward, and harness the power of the Internet to reach out better. It&#8217;s a small step, but let&#8217;s not stop it there if there are more things that can be improved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Hige</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto IKnight, only less manly due to my dislike of tea (I&#039;m an embarrassment to my counry). 

This kind of exclusion raises the question of whether USA licenses should count for all English-speaking countries. Why should non-NA residents delete their fansubs if we&#039;re blocked from viewing them legitimately like this? Obviously, this relies on the supposition that having fansubs in the first place is &#039;okay&#039; when a show isn&#039;t licensed, which I&#039;ve never been convinced by, but still. Not much of an incentive to go legit. 

As for LOLHURAHILOL, I&#039;m glad they buggered it up. It&#039;s yet another dent in Haruhi&#039;s credibility and another reason to mock its shitliness. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto IKnight, only less manly due to my dislike of tea (I&#8217;m an embarrassment to my counry). </p>
<p>This kind of exclusion raises the question of whether USA licenses should count for all English-speaking countries. Why should non-NA residents delete their fansubs if we&#8217;re blocked from viewing them legitimately like this? Obviously, this relies on the supposition that having fansubs in the first place is &#8216;okay&#8217; when a show isn&#8217;t licensed, which I&#8217;ve never been convinced by, but still. Not much of an incentive to go legit. </p>
<p>As for LOLHURAHILOL, I&#8217;m glad they buggered it up. It&#8217;s yet another dent in Haruhi&#8217;s credibility and another reason to mock its shitliness.</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>IKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, the North America-specificity prevents me from enjoying &lt;em&gt;TTGL&lt;/em&gt; legally over a cup of MANLY TEA, but as you say, this is probably A Good Thing. Good to hear that the subtitling&#039;s adequate, too.

Any Hoo-RAH-hiists out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, the North America-specificity prevents me from enjoying <em>TTGL</em> legally over a cup of MANLY TEA, but as you say, this is probably A Good Thing. Good to hear that the subtitling&#8217;s adequate, too.</p>
<p>Any Hoo-RAH-hiists out there?</p>
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